Episode 45-Strength Beyond Muscle with Tim Fox

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the War on Dad Bods podcast.Today, we've got a very special guest.We've got Tim Fox.Tim Fox is a performing motivational strongman speaker.So he'll like do these events where he does these insane stre- these insane feats of strength that are really cool.And then he talks and then people listen.And, um, he helps people find their inner strength.He's also been a sheriff's deputy for 25 years.He's still working in law enforcement.He's got 3 children.He's only 46.He's a grandfather.His youngest kid is 19, and out of the house.And I'm gonna ask him about that freedom and that lifestyle.Tim, how are you doing?Welcome to the podcast.Mm-hmm.Oh, it's great to be here.Doing great.Doing great.Tim, how did you get into motivational speaking, uh, strongman stuff?How'd you start doing it?Yes.So, uh, I grew up, I was a huge pro wrestling fan, and that's kind of been my entrance into physical culture.So I loved, you knowWrestleMania one time was around, um, you know, 1985.So, you know, I- that's by the time I became a real hardcore wrestling fan.And that kind of shaped my physical culture.Um, later onI, I mean, I lifted weights all through my teenage years, but I met Dennis Rogers in 2007.And he became my coach, and he's the greatest, you know, performing strongman of all time.Wow.And he shows you, he shows you that size doesn't matter because he's probably about 5'9", 168 pounds.So you don't have to be a huge guy.And age doesn't matter.Muscle size doesn't matter.It's all about attitude.So, a lot of it is grip-related.So, tearing cards, tearing phone books, bending horseshoes, bending frying pans, breaking baseball bats, you know, that kind of thing.But what you do is you use the feats to get someone's attention, and then once you have their attention is when you deliver a powerful message that is uplifting to them.So, you use the feat- Yeah.and you, and then you get their attention, and then you deliver something powerful.I love, umI, I, I love that, that's, that sequencing.It's, it's smart, it, it, it accepts where humans are, and it meets them right there, you know?Um, can you give us likeWhen you first met him and, like, you started to develop your grip strength, like, what kind of stuff did you do?Oh, man, that's a, that's a great question.So, I was already training grip.Um, I've trained since I was 12 years old, and then I got into grip probably when I was a teenager, and I just always was fascinated with grip strength.But with Dennis, um, a lot of it is specific for the feats.So, just because you're good at horseshoe bending doesn't mean you're going to be good at card tearing.So you have to practice every feat, and every feat is neurological.Your hands have to do 2 different things.So, like, you know, weight lifting, the gravity takes the weight to the ground.Like, if you're doing a barbell curl, the gravity takes it to the ground.However, with old time strongman, it is multi-angular force.So it's multi-directional force.You're, you're ripping cards in opposite direction, you're bending a horseshoe in the opposite direction, you know?So gravity doesn't matter as much.You can take somebody who's really good at lifting weights, they might not be good at old time strongman, but with practice they will get better.So, I always say I'm not really that great of a bowler, but if I went bowling 3 times a week every week for a couple hours- Yeah.I would finally make strikes.Because neurologically, my brain would teach my body what to do.So, you know, whatever we practice we get better at.Yeah.So your, your brain is connecting with those very specific patterns and angles, and it's downloading and it's learning, it's resting, and it's doing it again.And you're getting stronger.Right.Right.So, learning that, how, how have you taken sort of that skill of learning how to get stronger at this smaller hand thing?H- how was that translated into like your regular weightlifting?Like, how have you used those principles?Have you?Oh, yeah, definitely.You know, so it's, it's all about pushing forward and, you know, going, going after new goals and, you know, just hanging in there, longevity.You know, I will train for the rest of my life.I'm 46.I started training when I was probably about 12 years old, and I started in the basement at my house with my mom counting my reps.So, you know-I was probablyI was 12 years old and my mom was my biggest cheerleader, and she's in heaven now.So, she passed away a couple years ago.And I had a rowing machine, and I had some old concrete weights that my grandfather bought me at a flea market.And my momI actually would take like Flintstone vitamins.Th- this is how nerdy this is.I would take Flintstone vitamins and drink a glass of milk, and my mom would count my reps with barbell curls and the rowing machine.So I started at ground 0.Um, when I entered high school, I probably weighed like 147, and when I ended high school, I think I weighed 214.So I gained quite a bit of size in high school.Huge pro wrestling fan during that time, and looked up to all the pro wrestlers, you know?So I knew that I had to eat a lot of protein, and then I had to do resistance training.So, I still remember the first time I picked up a dumbbell, it was my uncle's dum- dumbbell.And I actually looked both ways to see if any adults were watching me, and I reached down and grabbed the dumbbell just to see if I could pick it up, because I knew that Hulk Hogan and Mr. T-lifted dumbbells.So, you know, it was, it was kind of like, "Man, this is like my secret."Like, "I know this dumbbell can make me strong," and, uh, you know, it got me excited as a kid.And I'm still a big kid, man.I'm still a big kid.So I'mI get excited over different things I have coming up.I actually have a show coming up at a trunk or treat at my sheriff's office, and I've hired a bubble artist, Anastasia, and she is coming from Atlanta, about 4 hours away from where I'm at in Tennessee, but she was born in Ukraine.Oh, wow.And I'm, I'm so excited about watching her show, even though it's all about bubbles, and sh- I believe she's the best bubble magician in the world, and it's just captivating.So you, you learn a lot by hanging out with other entertainers.And- Yeah.even though what we do is not magic-Even Dennis Rogers told us to hang out with magicians and study them, because they are the best at getting up in front of a crowd and presenting, you know.We won't say tricks for what I do, because it's a feat.Yeah.So a feat of strength, that's not a trick, but there is a technique.However, magicians are the best at what they call patter, and that's their, their verbal Judo that they use to- Yeah.suck you in.So, you know, you just, you have to make a connection with people.You have to make an emotional connection.And at the same time, personal stories do that, but you don't want your personal stories to be super long, because if you have a 10-minute personal story, people are just gonna zone out.You know, look, like you look at kids on TikTok and they just keep scrolling, scrolling, scrolling.You have to catch them immediately and you give them a short story, but with a point.And, you know, and Les Brown says, you know, "Never, never tell the story without making a point and never make a point without telling a story."But the story has to be only 2 or 3 minutes, because people will not, you know, invest in a long story.They'll just get bored, so you gotta make it impactful, you know.Uh, I wanna hear a little bit about your workout routine and more aboutYou lost 60 pounds.Right.How, how long ago was this?Man, it was a couple years ago, so it was around Christmastime.I realized that I got- Well, can you give just a breakdown of like'Cause these are- Yeah.people listening to me and they're always trying to aim for that.So what was the diet, the workout, the Right, right, right.So I weigh 240 now and I'm 6 foot tall, so, you know, I'm a big guy, but I got up to 305 pounds, and I kind of like would say, "Well, you know, I do farmer's walk and bench press and, and bit heavy squats, so I need the extra size."But honestly, I was really fat for my weight, you know?Right.Weighing 305, and it took meAt Christmastime, um, I went on vacation and and I, I saw myself and I was like, "Man, you know, I had the double chin really bad."And, and then- It was always that moment.There's always that one moment.Yeah, that was that, that was really the one moment is I partied at Christmastime, um, before New Year's, and I looked at myself in the mirror and I was just like, "Wow, you know, I'm, I'm too big right now."So my face was really red and bloated.And I was eat- I was eating a lot of protein, which I always do, like so I always eat eggs and ground beef and everything that's good for testosterone, but I was also eating pizza and spaghetti and a Snickers ice cream bar, and it was just whatever I wanted, you know?So I've been blessed with a fast metabolism, but because I was overeating to get strong, I got up to 305 pounds.So I hired a coach, and his name is Jon Anderson.He's very easy to find on social media.Uh, Jon Anderson, and I, IIt's Jon, just J-O-N, so not J-O-H-N.But he's done a little bit of everything.So he's a bodybuilder.He was also a pro wrestler, so you know, it, it always goes back to pro wrestling for me, but he's competed in Strongman, uh, bodybuilding.I mean, he's done just a little bit of everything.So, uh, I actually hired him, and when you pay, you pay attention.So I paid him $3,000 and, and, uh, and you're committed when you do that.So it was probably, you know, maybe 4, 4 or 5 months I'd say, but I lost, you know, probably 60 pounds.And I don't think Jon will mind me saying this because, you know, it, it doesn't hurt his coaching business because you pay him to be your coach and he encourages you through, you know, WhatsApp and, and whatnot, and he'll have conversations with you on WhatsApp.But the way his was designed is low carb, which, you know, I'm not always a fan of that because I do believe that we need our potassium and, and, uh, and different things that we can get from, you know, fruits and potatoes and whatnot.However, I can't argue with this, it worked.Right.It was very low carb.It was really high protein, eating protein frequently, and you know, plenty of vegetables and plenty of fiber actually, you know, through chia seeds and other things of that nature.Uh, drank a lot of water, of course.But he created a tremendous calorie deficit by doingNot only cutting out carbs, which creates the calorie deficit.So there's only 2 ways to create a calorie deficit, through limited food or through exercise.And he did it through both ways.So it's a low carb, almost no carb, and you get used to it after about 2 weeks.So you go into that level, but then his training is what they call deep water training, and, and that just means it's gonna be hell.But,, it's, uh, it's high volume, you know, it's a lot of work- Ah, man.um, and I actually really enjoyed it.So when I first saw his training on paper, it looked like a 3hour workout, and he's asking you to do it in an hour.So you are just rolling.I mean, you are taking very short breaks, and it's probably 3 hours worth of work in about an hour.And you'll be drenched in sweat and you don't really have any carbs, and the weight will just drop off of you.You just make sure you sleep 8 hours, make sure you, uh, drink a lot of water, and you're getting more than enough protein to build muscle.But it's really amazing.I mean, it's a very, very simple program, but not easy.It, the simplicity is through the calorie deficit, through a tremendous amount of volume 5 days a week, and then cutting out the carbs creates that calorie deficit, so you just have a tremendous calorie deficit.And besides that, I sat in the sauna, but I lost about 60 pounds, and it came off really effortless, e- effortlessly.Um, I worked as a sheriff's deputy, and my duty belt just started dropping off of me, my pants were just dropping off.So, you know, people are like, "Oh, man, I, I, I struggle with the scale.I kinda argue with the scale a little bit."Well, you can't argue with the mirror, like when y- when you see the mirror and you can't argue with your pants going down.So my pants just kept just shrinking, and my waist was shrinking and my pants were getting bigger, of course.Of, of course they're staying the same, I'm just shrinking.But it was from that tremendous calorie deficit.So everybody's looking for an easy way to do it, but I'll be honest with you, um, I do believe in more work.Um, another guy that I really love is Bobby Maximus, and he says, "There's no 3 easy payments of 999."It just doesn't work that way.And CT Fletcher always talked about 8minute abs.He was like, "Bullcrap.There's no such thing as 8minute abs."Like, we need, you know, we need work.It's like, you know, everybody's afraid of 2 words that are put together called hard work, and they hate it.They rebel against it.They can't stand it.But if you do hard work and a lot of volume with a very short rest, and, uh, you cut your calories but you still get a tremendous amount of protein through things that will increase your testosterone, like oysters, grass-fed ground beef, whole eggs, don't throw out the yolk.You know, I eat plenty of pomegranates, um, avocado, like everything I eat.I eat dark chocolate, which is not on John's, you know, program, but now I eat a lot of dark chocolate.Anything that I find out that will increase my testosterone, like garlic.So I make a whole pound of ground beef and I put garlic in there with spaghetti sauce, and it's absolutely delicious.It tastes like lasagna.And it will increase your testosterone, and it's probably like 100 grams of protein.And now, there's new studies that came out that said we can digest 100 grams of protein at a sitting.We used to believe that we could only do about 30 or 40 grams.However, now you can eat a bunch of eggs at one time.You can eat twice a day, and eat like a ton of eggs, and then take a break, and then eat a whole pound of grass-fed beef, and that will probably get your protein in for the day, and you don't have to carry a shaker bottle.You know, you don't have to do this and that, you don't have to eat every 3 hours.That's bullcrap.So as long as you just have an abundance of protein, even if you get it just 2 or 3 times a day, you really don't have to eat 6 times a day.I was a slave to that for years, and I was a big fan of Bill Phillips' Body For Life.Yeah.And it was small meals every 3 hours.Well, that's not sustainable for most people.It's okay, and it's great when you're dialed in, but if you're busy, like if you're a sheriff's deputy- Yeah.you can't eat every 3 hours.You're just not gonna be able to do it.Now, you could have a han- a handful of almonds and an apple, and, and that's a good little meal to get you through to the next time.the frequency, you don't really need.You could have 3 good meals of protein per day.As long as that you get one gram per pound of body weight- Yeah.you're gonna grow muscle.You're gonna grow muscle, and you just try to keep yourself in a calorie deficit, and then just work real hard.Everybody's afraid of working real hard.Um, I try to walk 10,000 steps a day, and that helps put me in a calorie deficit.I love sitting in a sauna.So in the last 2 years, uh, following 2 guys have changed my life.So that's John Anderson, who I hired as a coach, and also Bobby Maximus.I can't help but give him some credit.And his, Rob McDonald is his name.He fought in the UFC, he was an Ultimate Fighter.And I just love his content.I could watch Bobby Maximus all day.Like he's a Canadian guy, super intelligent, but he believes in hard work.So all these people who run away from hard work, that just doesn't work for Bobby, it doesn't work for John.You look at the people who are really doing it, like, you know, The Rock, Dwayne Johnson, he gets up at 4:00 in the morning, and he works out for probably 2 hours at 4:00 in the morning, well, before he goes to a movie set.You have to have that dedication.You have to actually outwork people, and people rebel against that kind of language.They're like, "No, man, you know, you're just gonna grind yourself into the ground, like you don't have to beat yourself up."No, sometimes you do need to go ahead and train hard.SoSo- Train your mind to be strong.Right, right.I enjoy it.I just listen to my favorite music.Uh, I drink a bunch of coffee before I work out, so I'm all jacked up on caffeine.Mm-hmm.And, uh, I just try to have a good time, man.It's like, I just, I still love training.I'm still a, a little kid at heart, and I'll always be a kid, man.Uh, I'm a grown man, I'm a grandpa, but man, I'm a kid too, so I still get excited over training.Well, you're, you're talking to these kids, and you're talking to, um, usually young people, about tapping into their inner strength.Right.Have you ever seen, likeYou know, you reveal this inner strength.Are you ever surprised at, like, what they do after, what they say after?Any, any kind of those, those results?Oh, definitely.I mean, you look at justThis is an old example, but you look at a mother that lifts a car off of her child, you know?A small, a small woman can lift a car off of her child.So the strength is there.The strength is there inside all of us.We just need a need, like we need the need right now to have that strength.But we have the same nervous system.We all have the same nervous system.And I sound so crazy when I talk this way sometimes, but it is an absolute miracle just to move your hand.Just to have the neurological ability to move your hand is freaking amazing.It is actually a miracle.So, we all have the same nervous system, so we can all tap into that strength.And, um, theMy recipe for strength isIt rhymes.It's actually prayer and self-care.So you have to, you have to have some self-care, because you can't pour from an empty cup.And there's no tag team that's any better than you and God, so you and God together can defeat any problem.I've had problems in my life that I could not handle on my own, and, and God helped me through those times.So, it's prayer and self-care for me- Yeah.to find, to find your inner strength.You can do a lot with, uh, strong beliefs and great health.Right.Absolutely.Absolutely.Absolutely.Y- Strong beliefs and great, great health is amazing.There are a few little things that, that happen every now and then that, uh, you, you need the big man upstairs to help with too.Yeah.Well, you're a grandfather.Your youngest child, your youngest son is 19.I, I think he's still in the house.But now you're at a point in life where, you know, you, you got started pretty young, around age 20, right?Mm-hmm.Yes, sir.Yep.Um, and you never really had that, like, freedom, you know?'Cause you were a dad so young.And now you kind of have that.How are you enjoying that?What are you doing with that free time?How's that going?Man, I'm just, uhI'm at a point in my life where I'm focusing on my shows.And, um, I actually just started a job where I'm doing private civil processing on top of what I normally do at work.So I'm just staying busy.And, uh, and then I exercise, I sit in the sauna.So, it's all about staying strong mentally, physically, spiritually, you know?I try toI do a lot of church shows.You know, I, I, uhI love small shows.I love a small show.I don't have any delusions of grandeur.I don't want to be famous.I don't want to be rich.I just want to do a bunch of shows.And the small shows are more intimate anyway.And you can make a one-on-one connection with a kid or an adult, and you might say something at that moment that they really need to hear.And when that happens, it's not a coincidence.It's the big man upstairs.Some people say, "Oh, it's the universe."But no, it's not the universe.It's God.So I'm gonna give God the credit there.Um, as a parent, now that you've fully experienced parenting almost- Mm-hmm.um, is there anything that you did as a parent that might deviate from the norm or be unusual or different?Oh, man.You know, we've all made mistakes.There, there's no such thing as a perfect parent.And, uhBut, I mean, my parenting style, honestly, I mean, I was raised by my grandparents.And, uh, my grandpa wasYou know, he was born in, inAnd he grew up in the Great Depression.He was actually born in 1920.Wow.So he was my father figure.So it was like I was learning from a man from another time period, because he literally was, you knowUm, if he was here today, you know, he'd be 105 years old.But, you know, he died when he was 92.And he was tough, but he was also patient.So I, I can say that he was the most patient man I've ever met, and I can only hope that I had a, a, a little bit of that patience.And I believe I did.You know, I tried to be fair.You know, um, you know, any parent that say, "Are you ever ready to become a parent?"No, you're not.You know, it's like you, you could read all the books on parenting, and you could, you know, ask for advice, but you're notYou gotta jump out in the deep end.It's justIt's like anything in life.It's like, theory is great, but, uh, you gotta go through it yourself.You gotta getYou gotta jump in the deep end, and, and, uh, and just do it.And do your best, you know?All right.So you, you said he, he taught you patience, the importance of patience.That sounds like great advice.Is there any bad advice that you've ever received from anybody over your life?Oh, yeah.Um, yeah, man.Uh, that's, that's pretty good.Uh, b- being put on the spot, I'm not sure exactly what I'd say- All right.But, yeah, there's plentyThere's all kinds of bad advice out there.People have, like, health advice, that you're like, "Oof, no, don't do that."Any of those come out?Right.Um, honestly, I touched on it earlier, and sometimes people really do look for the easy way out, you know?Uh, I kinda lean toward that, where I, I do believe in being kind to yourself.I'm kind to myself.I have positive self-talk.But I also know when I'm kinda bullshitting myself, so, you know, it's, umA lot of people believe that we're over-training, but honestly, it's really, really hard to over-train.Like, you could work out probably 14 hours a week and still not over-train, soThere's Olympic athletes that train over 25 hours a week, and they, they don't over-train.Now, you could say they have the best of the best with massages and, and whatnot.Yeah.But a little 4 or 5 hours a week in the gym, you're not gonna over-train, so, you know, go ahead and hit it hard.Well, I think it's really funny that you use that phrase, "No easy way out," because we have this inside joke.I teach this class in the morning to these guys, and every Friday, it's a fun workout.We do a lot of upper body pump stuff, you know, kind of a bro workout.And every single Friday, I play that Rocky song, "There's No Easy Way Out."I love that.So, like, I'll, I'll sort of, like, set it up in a sentence and be like, "Guys, and you gotta take the hard way in, because"And then I'll play the song, "There's No Easy Way Out."And you actually said the phrase, "There's no easy way out."I love that.I love- I'm gonna clip this, and I'm gonna put it in class with the guys.They're, they're gonna get a good kick out of that.Awesome, awesome.I love that.And I was a huge Rocky fan as well.So that's reallyYou know, uh, I could watch all the Rockies right now, and you know.I'll tell you this, on a side note, I think the best Rocky was actually Rocky V.Everybody always thinks it's Rocky IV or, or Rocky II.Yeah, I like IV.But, man, to meAnd I loved Drago, and, and the Russian.I loved that Dolph Lundgren.But to me, the storytelling in Rocky VAnd it ends with a street fight- Yeah.instead ofAnd the ring?Like, the storytelling in Rocky V was just amazing.Like, when you go back and watch Rocky V with Tommy Gunn, you know, Tom, Tommy Morrison?Yeah.Like, to me, that's the best one, 'cause it was one of the really most emotional storytelling parts of Rocky.So that was my favorite part.Uh, i- is there anything that you've changed your mind about in the last year or 2 or 5?UhLet's see.Honestly, there's a time for everything, you know?I used to really not believe in the low-carb diet.However, I can't argue with my success.I had great success on a low-carb diet, just from being put into a calorie deficit.It's not something that I would wanna do long-term, but I used to rebel against a low-carb diet.Like, I felt like, "Oh, I need carbs," you know?"Uh, y- your brain needs carbs."And they do.Mm-hmm.And now, y- ifHere on my table, I have bananas and a watermelon.Like, you know, I lo- I love dark chocolate, I love raw honey, you know?Uh, I love oranges.And all that is carbs, soYeah.But low carb- It is-really does give you a, a pretty tremendous weight loss.I was checking out, um, the potential risks of low-carb dieting.I've, I've done it a lot over the years.Mm-hmm.And I, I've always tested my testosterone.And, and I went low carb for, like, 3 years, something like that, when I was in- Wow.my mid to late 20s.Yeah.Really low carb for a long time.But I was in New Orleans, and I was drinking and I was putting toxic stuff in my body.Right.And what I learned was, if you consume less than, like, 100 or 125 grams of carbohydrates a day over an extended period of time, you can get away with doing that, but it can't- Right.affect your testosterone production long-term.Now, if you're super clean and you're super healthy and you're not putting any other toxic crap in your body- Right.you can get away with less carbs for longer.Right.But if you're drinking alcohol on the weekends and you're eating l- less than 100 carbs all week for a long period of time- Right.that can mess with your hormone production of testosterone.No doubt.SoNo doubt.I, I totally agree with you.I totally agree with you.And it's not something that is made for long-term.I, I don't think low carb is, is long-term at all.It's very short, like probably 3, 3 months.Like, do you know what I mean?Just getJust do the low-carb thing for 3 months and just train your butt off in the gym, and the weight will come off of you.And th- it's a good way to start.Like, when somebody, uhI'll just say the word fat.When somebody's fat- Mm-hmm.go low carb for 3 months.Yeah, you're, you'reProbably your testosterone might tank a little bit, trust me, the fat is gonna come off your waist.And everybody's talking about belly fat, belly fat.The way you get belly fat off is to go into a tremendous calorie deficit, which is great through low carb, and then just do a tremendous amount of work and walk those 10,000 steps every day, and do high-volume training.Make sure you sleep good.Yeah.And thatThe proof is in the pudding.The proof is in the pudding.It, it just ha- it happens.Weight just starts dropping off of you.So, that's only for when people are fat.And I hate to, I hate to use that word fat.I'm not trying to fat-shame anybody, 'cause I was fat.But when somebody's fat, go ahead and do that for 3 months and get it over with, and then you can go back to eating good carbs, because now I eat oranges, watermelon, y- dark chocolate, honey.It's like, I enjoy my carbs, but they're healthy.Like, I try not to have processed carbs, you know?And I still will.So, another thing I love about Bobby Maximus, the n- 90:10 diet.So, if you eat good 90% of the time, you can have 10% wiggle room.Yeah.Which 10% is a lot for somebody like me or you bigger guys.Our 10% is quite a bit of food.So, I mean, I canIf I want to have pasta, I can, you know?Mm-hmm.Um, what's your perspective on alcohol and, like, the impact it has on our health, on our culture, our social lives and .Right.How have your thoughts about alcohol changed?Right.So myMan, my dad was an alcoholic, but I never met my dad.He ran off, uh, and never claimed me, never paid a penny child support, andIt's a, it's a funny joke that Les Brown says that he says, "Man, I'm a bastard."He said, "But I'm a happy bastard," and he'd bust out laughing.And hey, I'm a happy bastard, because my, my grandpa raised me.And, uh, I d- I don't feel like I've missed out anything on not having my dad.And he drank, like, a case of beer when he would play pool, so that's like 24 beers, like, while he's playing pool.And, uh, that's just stories I heard about him because I never met him.So, I never really wanted to drink that much, man.I might have someWas your grandfather your mom's dad or your dad's dad?It's my mo- It's my mother's father, yeah.And, uhSo, I neverI never drank a lot.Like, I'll have wine every now and then, you know?Uh, I, I hate the taste of beer.I mean, that's almost like I need to turn in my man card to say that I don't drink beer.But IDude, I don't like beer, dude.It's like, it, it's, it's terrible.Be the best .It's like, anybody who says they love it, man, they're lying.They drink it for the alcohol, because you know O'Doul's?You know, the non-alcoholic beer?Why aren't you drinking that 24/7 while you're at work, you know what I mean?It's like everybody lies.Yeah, that's good.It's like, the reason they drink beer is to get the alcohol in their system.It's like, itIf it looks like pee, tastes like pee, hmm, you know?It's not that good.ButBut no, I'm not a beer fan, dude.Um, I'dI would drink Crown Royal, like, every now and then.I'd drink peach wine every now and then.And I'll be honest with you, I don't have a huge tolerance, so even 2 shots of NyQuil when I have a cold will knock me out, dude.And, and it's like, alcohol never did nothing good for me.SoAnd I've arrested people, DUI, whatnot.I've seen people just destroy their lives with alcohol.It's not evil, it's just a substance.But it does a lot of damage, and it's easy to get addicted to.I think if somebody's drinking every day, you know, they're probablyI mean, I hate to sound judgmental, but they're probably on the road to being alcoholic if they're not an alcoholic.It's like, you know, it'sIf you're drinking something every single day, it's, uhEven if it's just one or 2 drinks, it's, it's time to probably dial back.Sometimes, you know, they tell themselves stories, and when you say that, it reminds them, you know?"If you're doing it every day, might be-" Right." might, might be an addiction."Right.Um, what, what inspires you?What motivates you?What's your fuel to stay going every day?Man, uh, I talk about Les Brown a lot, so I, I did Les Brown's speaking program a couple years ago, and, uh, Les inspires me.So, you can go on YouTube and watch Les Brown.He's 80 years old, and, uh, he's one of the best speakers in the world.He's a Black gentleman.He's just wonderful.And he has the anti-nursing home plan, and that's my plan, man, dude.Oh, yeah.I wanna be anti-nursing home.I wanna do burpees, lunges.Like, I wanna doI don't wanna fall when I get old.My grandpa fell and broke his back, man.I don't wanna fall.I, I wanna be able toI've seen what they do in the nursing home, like, they abuse some of those old people, man.I'm gonna fight back.I'm gonnaI, I'm gonna be- I'm gonna haveHey, I'm gonna have pepper spray.If those people abuse me in the nursing home, I'm gonna fight back.Wow.But I'm alsoLeading up to that, man, I'm doing jujitsu, um, I trained with a sledgehammer, I jump rope, you know?I just wanna keep moving.So, what inspires me is, every day, just to move.You know, people don't move.Like, they say they're depressed, but they just don't move.So just walk 10,000 steps a day.Yeah.Mm-hmm.Um, so really, what inspires me is health and, and, uh, trying to stay out of the nursing home.And, uh, I'm a long way from it, hopefully.You know, I'm 46 years old, so hopefully I can live to be 100 and I can always take care of myself and wipe my own butt and fight back if those people abu- try to abuse me in the nursing home.And that's a joke, but at the same time, I'm serious as hell.ButBut, umSo, that inspires me, and to reallyWhat really inspires me is to inspire other people, so I do that through my shows.And sometimes I just do street shows, and street shows are only 10 minutes, and you just try to catch their attention for 10 minutes so they can walk away anytime they want to, and that's fun.And I've done theater shows.You know, I have a theater show coming up in Georgia- Nice.in, in a couple months.And I've done, you know, school assemblies that are anti-bullying, and there you have a captive audience.So they- the kids want to be there and watch your show, and they're, they're stuck with you for about 40 or 45 minutes.And they can't walk away like a street show.Like, a street show, people can walk away, but- Mm-hmm.in a school assembly, they wanna be there.They're a captive audience.So- They're out of class.Yeah.And, and they're getting outta class.It's like when the teacher- Gotcha.rolls the television in the room.You're like, "Yes!"You know, everybody would celebrate when the TV comes in- Anything that's fun.'cause you know you're not gonna have to study, you know?Um, you have this, uh, this quote I really liked.It's, "Achievement is great, but I'd rather be happy."Could you unpack that?Right, man.And that was really a Tony Robbins thing, too.I love Tony Robbins, but, um, he talks about, um, let's see, the science of achievement and the art of fulfillment.So somebody could haveThey could achieve a lot in their life, like through scientific, you know, methods, y- you know, getting rich, you know, accumulating money, you know, getting awards, getting fame and fortune, and getting pats on the back and all that, and they're still not happy.They'll still turn to alcohol.They'll still turn to other things that'll take them off course.So there's an art to being fulfilled.It's art of fulfillment.So you have to have both.You have to have achievement and fulfillment.'Cause if you have achievement without fulfillment, that's empty, and, and the other is empty also.So, but honestly, for me, man, we just said that in our introductory conversation.Man, I'd rather be happy than to achieve something all the time.It's great to achieve things, but honestly, our mental space, um, you know, just, just keeping yourself strong, keeping yourself happy, that's more important than any achievement.My biggest achievement is being a father and a grandfather th- and then inspiring other people.And I- I've beenloved my law enforcement career.I've been able to help a lot of people, and I've been able to help a lot of people with my Strongman show.But don't we all just wanna be happy at the end of the day, you know?Yeah.It sounds like being happy and fulfilled involves having great health and some way influencing or supporting other people.It does.No doubt.If you're not doing that, you might not be that happy, so those 2 things are pretty huge.Well said.Well said.Um, with your health stuff and your, uh, training, do you use any, like, health tracking tools, or any apps, or, like, any assistance?No.Uh, here's the funny thing.So I'm so old-fashioned, buddy.Yeah.Um, I don't, I don't have an Apple watch.You see no watch on my, on my wrist.Um, I don't count calories.I roughly count protein to make sure that I'm getting about a gram of protein per pound.But honestly, that was the cool thing about John Anderson's diet.You, you ain't gotta count nothing.Like, he, he doesn't even, he doesn't even count the calories, honestly.You're going through such a calorie deficit through that high volume weight training- Yeah.and not having the carbs, that it don't matter.You ain't gotta count nothing, man.Like, you don't even have to use that mental space to count anything.You're just gonnaWeight's just gonna drop off of you.But thatLike I said, that's for a short amount of time.Yeah.But, but no, man, I'm not, I'm not high tech at all, man.I haveLike, here's what I have.I have a notebook, and I-dude, I just write down my goals on paper and just stare at it, man.I'm so old-fashioned.Like, I just looI just- It works.I just write down my goals.That works great.Hey, I just look at it, man.I try to, I try to, I try to will it into existence, you know?I'm not all about the law of attraction like some people are, because they're like, "Oh, the universe is gonna bring you the right thing."It's like, no, man, God's gonna bring me the right thing.I, I, the universe is great.It was created by God.So I'm gonna put God number one.And then I'm- Wait, you're getting, you're getting it fresh in your head.You're reminding yourself the importance of it.You're emotionally infecting yourself with all that all the time.That's how you influence behavior.Right, man.But see, I, I, I like multicolors.I got a red notebook, I got a blue notebook, I got a purple notebook, I got different notebooks for different goals.And, uh, I've always done that, man.I just write it down on paper.Um, even this bubble girl that's coming, uh, Anastasia, she's the best in the world, I, I wrote that on paper a long time ago, that I wanted to perform with her.And now, look what happened.It came true, man.That's great.It's coming true on the 23rd.So, uh, October 23rd at the Bedford County Sheriff's Office in Shelbyville, Tennessee, we're gonna perform together.And I kind of willed that into existence.I just kind of wrote it on paper a long time ago, and, and, uh, and I made it happen, man.Yeah, I got aI've, I've, I have a coach that I've been working with for about 3 years.He's big on writing it 0 he's about your age too.I'm like- Right.I'm 41.So you guys are just a couple years older.But- Right.man, he's a military guy, and, um, he's all about writing it down on paper.That's, that's kind of his thing too.And- Man, I, I love it, man.I don't wanna look at a computer screen.I, I don't wanna look.And it, it, itSometimes there's, the apps and whatever, they get too much information, too complicated, too many variables.You just keep it simple, keep it simple, um, and just focus on what's important.You don't get distracted by a bunch of BS.Oh, another thing I really like that nobody likes anymore is going to failure.I like going to failure.Oh, okay.Like, a lot of people, a lot of people say keep a couple reps in the tank.Nah, man.I'm, I'm going to failure, man.Yeah.It's like, not on every single set, but I like going to failure.It's like, I, uh, I really enjoy it.I'm always gonna do it.I'll do it for the rest of my life.It's like- Yeah.even, even if they have new studies that come out that says, "Tim, you are wrong," I'm still gonna train to failure, just 'cause I actually enjoy it.Because there's no easy way out, like Rocky.SoAnd, you know, it's just gonna set your psychology up, you know, to just go hard all the time, just push it.I like it, man.And that, there is danger in that.I will say that, is like, if somebody grinds their self into the ground and goes to failure on every single set.I only go to failure on my top sets.So I only go to failure, you know, probably once per exercise.But I do believe in that, man.I've dialed my volume back.Like IHere's the thing that Charles Pullican said, and he was a Canadian strength coach who's passed away, and I really loved him.And I, Istarted reading his stuff in Muscle Media, like Bill Phillips' Muscle Magazine.It was called Muscle Media 2000, before the year 2000.I started reading it in 1995.So- And he was a big low carb guy.Yeah.He was at times, yeah.So everything has a season, so, you knowBut yeah, he, he was the same way.He would do low carbs to lose fat, but he also did believe in healthy carbs.You know, uh, berries.You know, things of that nature.But he did eliminate grains, so any kind of grain.And he didn't even think rice was that important, you know.But, you know, berries, pomegranates, watermelon, you know, bananas.Like there's, thereNobody got fat off eating watermelon and bananas.Nobody got fat doing that.So it's like, you know, nobody got fat eating baked potatoes.Everybody blames baked potatoes.No, they didn't get fat off that.They got fat off Pop-Tarts, Snickers bars, you know, that kind of thing.Alcohol.Uh, sugary drinks.Sugary drinks, sugar, yeah.Hey, Starbucks is like, uh, 2 pieces of melted birthday cake, melted down into coffee.So it spikes your insulin.So anytime you spike your insulin a tremendous amount, you turn that fat storage hormone on.So, um, you know, it's, itNobody got fat off of fruit, man.Nobody got fat off fruit.Yeah, you haven't mentioned any supplements.Do you do any supplements, protein supplements- Yeah.Yeah, yeah.So anything that increases testosterone, I'll do it.So like, um, zinc.I'm big on zinc, I'm big on magnesium.Um, as of now, the only things I'm taking right now is creatine, um, magnesium and zinc.Uh, let's see.Man, that's really about it right now.I take some collagen powder, and I mix it with beet ju- beetroot juice.And I remember when beet juice used to taste terrible.You couldn't even put a little bit in a water jug, dude, because it would ruin the whole water jug.Now, they have a really good one at Walmart, and I can't remember the name.Oh no, I do remember the name brand, 'cause look, here it is.I can't pronounce it, but this is the beetroot juice, man.And it's probably reversed- Oh, wow.Okay, this is delicious, okay?So I take like half of this out, and then I put like 3 scoops of protein in there, and then I put collagen powder in there, and I just shake it up.Wow.And I drink it.Dude, and it's good for you.And it, as a male, it's good for us, for our male health, if you know what I mean.Mm-hmm.So, you know, the beetroot juice is so good.The nitrates are so good for us.So, you know- The circulation.Yeah, circulation, man.So, um, really, beetroot juice, um, creatine, magnesium, zinc.I feel like I'm forgetting something, but- What is that?What kind of supplements- You know, supplementThis is one cool thing that John Anderson said, and it's so true, and everybody needs to hear this.Supplements are really good at one thing, and that's taking your money.Yeah, I'm not great at that.'Cause I, I, hey, I've spent a lot of money on supplements that didn't matter.Yeah.What, what's the protein powder that, that you like?Man, I think my favorite is that Rise Cinnamon Toast Crunch.Like, I, I, I don't think they can say "crunch" because that's a trademark, but cinnamon toast.But it tastes like Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal.And if you have that, and you shake it up with coconut milk- Yeah.it's del- it's delicious, man.Like- I've tried the Rise brand.It's actually too sweet for me.I mean, that stuff's got some taste to it.It is, it is, it is really sweet.It really is.But man, I've tried all kinds.I remember when protein powder was terrible.Yeah.Like, uh, like when I was 13 years old, I tried this stuff called Monster Mix.Really?And it, it was nasty.Like, it, that you had to- How would it even-mix it with orange juice, and it turned the orange juice green.I remember eating these like Myoplex protein bars, and these Myoplex powders.You remember these powders at the- Right.thing.Right.And like, back then, we thought that like that protein may have been superior to like eating chicken orYou had to eat that.Like, I- Right.I didn't know like, I could just eat a whole much more meat and itI'd be better than like- Right.powdered stuff that does not taste good at all.And these old bars in my school bag that were cracked up, they tasted horrible, but like- Right.protein was great.And that was this supplement marketing.We believed it.We believed that we had to have that.And, uh, I do like Quest bars.I think Quest bars taste pretty good, and they're pretty low carb.And th- when you're in a pinch, Quest bars can be good.But I'm not a big- Yeah.I'm not a big bar guy.Like, I'll do it when I'm stuck and, you know, uh, uh, I wanna eat some protein.I will do it, you know?Um, but honestly- I just found th- I, I, I just recently found these Barbell protein bars at the store that have a- I tried one.Yeah, I like the taste of those.Those, those- They're delicious.me lately.Yeah.They're delicious.So the 2 super foods that I love that I want every day is grass-fed beef- Mm-hmm.Grass-fed ground beef and eggs.Yeah.Yeah.They, they have almost all the vitamins and minerals in there.Like, if you just have that and eat oranges, you've covered the basis.Yeah.Like, you, you could live off grass-fed beef, eggs, and, like, oranges, and just maybe carrots.Like, you know, watermelon.It's like, you know, you could have the most basic diet in the whole world and, uh, you'reIt's gonna be great for you.Well, if, if you just go like meat, eggs, chicken, f- Like, proteins and, like, fruit- Right.you can get pretty far with just proteins and fruit.It's almost paper.It's like that's usually pretty good.You know, toss in some vegetables if you like them.Right.Hey, there's some people who they don't eat vegetables at all and they're still super fit guys that are great.Uh, the one guyMan, I might mispronounce his name.His name's Tanner, so IBut, uh, he doesn't believe in, you know, any vegetables at all, soYou know, and he has a great physique and he's drug-free.He's not on, uh, testosterone or a testosterone replacement therapy or anything.So it's all grass-fed beef, eggs, oysters, that kind of thing.Uh- Shrimp.shrimp, any fish.Tilapias are good one.Umthat story up.Oh, I was in, uhI remember I was playing division one college soccer, and we had these 2adays where, like, we would work out for 2 hours in the morning, 2 hours at night.We'd, like, jog 3 miles as a warmup.It was nuts.It wasn't healthy.It was completely overtraining.We did this for, like- Right.2, 3 weeks, just to see who wanted it.And the coach was watching who was gonna push it.And if you drop, your whole teammates have to go again.It's that kind of environment.And I remember eating around this workout and, like, I remember eating like the biggest bowls of oatmeal I possibly could, drinking these really, really clean protein shakes.Uh, Opti something was the name of it.And, um, and then I would, I would take frozen tilapia out of the freezer and put it straight on the George Foreman grill.Frozen.And it would kind of stick to the grill.And I just fill the George Foreman with that, and I'd scrape it off and I'd eat, like, the crusted t- t- tilapia and the protein shakes- No.the oatmeal and fru- Right.it was.Plates of fruit and vegetables 'cause we're running, working out so much.But after 2 weeks, 'cause I was funneling all this food, all this healthy, good stuff, I gained, like, you know, 2, 3 pounds or something.Maybe 5 pounds.These other guys who were not eating the way I was eating, they actually all lost 5 pounds, 10 pounds.They just broke down.And I was like- Right.power of my dieting.And then my performance in justMy, my performance, my recovery versus others was always so much better.And that was always my edge as an athlete.Right.Right.And when you do 2adays, you definitely have to have carbs.So I'm not, I'm not anti-carb at all.I love my carbs.But when you do 2adays and you train a lotAnd evenI just started jujitsu again.Yeah.You have to have carbs.You can't go into jujitsu in ketosis.Like, you-you will die.Like, you will be destroyed.You know what I'm saying?It's like you will be tapped out and, and, and, uhAnd even though they call it the gentle art, we know that it's not gentle when somebody actually goes in for the submission.When they're going for the kill, it's not the gentle art anymore.It's like you can call it the gentle art all you want.It's like, you knowAnd, and I understand this technique, but there's nothing gentle about being choked.So, you knowOr having, uh, an arm bar, you know?Yeah.Um, all right.I have, I haveThis section is called the rapid fire question, so let's see if you can come up with anything- Right.I guess sort of quick.Um, any health or fitness myths that drive you crazy?Man, um, just, umWe already covered it, just basically that you can get a lot of results with just a little bit of work.That's, that's kind of bogus.All right.If you had to do one exercise for the rest of your life, which one exercise would you do?Man, that's good.I'd, I'd say farmer's walk.Farmer's carry.So get the heaviest dumbbells you can.Maybe even a, a bar, whatever.Right.A trap bar and justHow much do you farmer carry these days?Man, uh, I've done 300 per hand with no straps, and that's good for me 'cause that's 600 pounds together, but, um, with no, with no strap to help me.So I was proud of that.There's people who- How are you lifting that-carried a lot more than-is that- I was- That's a trap bar?What is that?Those are actually 2 individual separate farmer's walk implements, and I did that in the competition.I did that in a strongman competition, and I was happy with that because when I started training 12 weeks out, I could not do it.I was doing, like, 250 per hand.So now I've, I've worked up to where I can do 300 per hand.But honestly, I can't do it right now today because I haven't been doing it that heavy.But I have some steel beams that are outside that are about 100 pounds, and I can do that for distance.Like- Yeah.doing a long farmer's walk.I think, man, going outside in the sunshine with no shirt and, uh, just shorts and getting that vitamin D and doing, like, farmer's walk that are not super heavy.It doesn't have to be heavy, like 100 pounds per hand.You do that and some walking lunges and push-ups, that's a great workout.and it, and you just drink water, and just soak up that sunshine.I'm just picturing you walking down the street with 2 big beams in your hand.Your neighbors are like- Yeah."This guy's got-" Well, they know I'm crazy, man.They, they know, they already know.It's like, you know, uh, they're, like, "What is, what is wrong with him?"You know?But, uh, but they like me, so, but- Yeah.You're crazy for not being out there.Right, right.Uh, I'll train the rest of my life, as long as God will let me.All right.That's your, uh, that's your one exercise for the rest of your life.What if youWhat is your most hated exercise, all time?Man, that's hard, um, because there's nothing that I truly hate.Um, I even like the burpee.Like, everybody talks so bad about the burpee and how it's so, like, you know, brutal.But to me, it's good, because, like, you know, I can super setI have a punching bag outside hanging from my tree.And sometimes I put on the gloves, and I just do the punching bag, and I super set burpees.Like, I do about 10 burpees, and I hit the punching bag back and forth.Yeah.And for me, it's great, because you can get knocked down in a fight, and a burpee is getting up.Everybody talks about the rear recovery, like the tactical recovery or the Turkish get-up, like, coming up from your back.That's a great thing.But you also have to get up from your front.So the burpee is the opposite of the, you know, the rear tactical recovery.So I do both, 'cause I'm, like I told you, I want, uh, I'm the anti-nursing home program, man.Nice.Um, when you're short on time, and you gotta eat healthy, maybe get your protein, what is your go-to healthy meal when you're short on time, you're in a pinch?Uh, Greek yogurt.Greek yogurt?Oh.Yeah.Uh, Oikos, I think that's how you pronounce it, the Oikos Greek yogurt.It's delicious.It's so good.And you can put a little cinnamon or honey on it, or put frozen blueberries in it, or you can, you can make it taste so good, man.It's almostIt should be illegal, man.It should be against the law.Well, I got this protein powder.It's from FlavCity.Mm-hmm.Uh, FlavCity protein powder.You put this in your yogurt, and you mix it up, and it mixes in completely, really good.That's awesome.And that, you know, it's, the protein powder's got some stevia, some whey, some collagen.Mm-hmm.You mix that in your yogurt, and it tastesI mean, it, it could be cheesecake, like, it is amazing.You get a protein bomb.It's like dessert.I mean, it's ridiculous.Now, think about this.The, uh, like, you talked about earlier with the tilapia on the George Foreman griller.Think about all those dues you paid back in the days when you thought you had to eat be- like that-and now you can justNow I take a wok, you know, um, and I put ground beef in it with, like, beef broth, and then I just mix it up.And I either put mustard, ketchup, and cheese, or the spaghetti sauce and garlic, and it's so delicious.And I don't have to scrape off the tilapia from the-George Foreman griller.And, and like we said, we can do the Greek yogurt that tastes delicious, and put that protein powder that you're talking about, and it's so much better than the protein powder we started with.SoExactly.We're so lucky.Um, have you ever read a, uh, a book about health?Any, any books that influenced you?You mentioned that Bill Phillips books.That was a legendary one.Right.I really loved Bill Phillips and Shawn Phillips.Um, I thought they had a great concept there with the Body For Life program.And I did it, you know.Uh, it was great, and it, it's great right now.You can get it probably at a Goodwill store for, like, $5.But it's basically 3 weight workouts a week, 3 resistance training workouts a week, and then 3 sprint workouts a week that only take about 20 minutes.And then frequent meals, frequent clean meals.I mean, it's really easy.But e- everybody talks about, "Well, man, is it simple or is it easy?"It's, like, it, it's easy, but it's not simple.It's, like, you, you have to put in the work.Like, sprinting is hard because the fat people don't sprint.So if you get a hill sprint, like, you s- keep on hill sprinting 3 days a week, fat's gonna drop off of you.All you have to do is, like, jump rope and do hill sprints and sit in a sauna, and fat's just gonna start dripping, man.Everybody makes it sound so hard, but it's really not hard.It's, uh, you know, sprints activate fat burning.It's, like, you know, it'sBut anyways, um, so back to the book.So I like Body For Life, and it was like a kindergartner could read it.Like, it, it was so simple.Like, it was- Yeah.it was almost like you were the dumbest person in the world, and he was trying to explain it to you.Like, you had noYou know?And that was such a good concept to do that, you know?Yeah, that's nice.But my favorite book of all time is Dinosaur Training by Brooks Kubik.Really?And it's such a great book, man.It was made in, it, it was written in 1996, and he was a lawyer from Louisville, Kentucky.And he talks aboutAnd it really got me into the old-time strongman type stuff too.And it was before I started training with Dennis, but it was about thick dumbbells, thick barbells, uh, sandbags, lifting barrels, you know, that kind of thing, and lifting in your yard, getting out of the gym that's all chrome and, and, and, and plants and stuff like that, like you know, and, and the health club type stuff.It's about training in the yard with, like, ropes and chains and, you know, just heavy stuff, farmer's walk, 20- Oh.20 rep squat, you know, all that good stuff, the stuff that will make you grow.Like, you know, when you do 20 rep squat, like even though some people knock it, 20 rep squat to where your last couple reps are hard, man, that's cardio and strength, and it will make you grow.Like, you know, there is no way out.No way out.No easy way out.That's right.But, uh, farmer's walk, 20 rep squat, all that stuff, man.I love Dinosaur Training.I, um, I actually lost my copy a long time ago, but I need to buy another one just to read it all again.Dinosaur Training?Um, what is your, uhWhat's your favorite hype song to work out to?Man, you know, uh, fresh in my mind is No Easy Way Out.But, um, man, I love everything, man.It's so hard to put me on the spot because I love AC/DC.I will always love AC/DC.Um, you know, Shoot to Thrill.L- I love that song.But I love Kid Rock.Uh, I love, I love rap, man.I like '90s rap, like Naughty By Nature.You wouldn't think a country boy like me likes, uh, '90s rap.Um, a generation.But the newHey, the new rap is terrible, man.Like, it's the mumble rap.I can't stand it.Um, but, um, even the Geto Boys.They, they were from Houston.And my mentor, Dennis Rogers, was from Houston, so I listened to the Geto Boys, and they talked about the 5th Ward.And I said that in front of Dennis, and he said, "What do you know about the 5th Ward?"And, uh, 'cause, you know, the 5th Ward is the projects in Houston where people would just wind up dead, you know?But, um, anyway, um, I like the Geto Boys for rap.You know, um, I like AC/DC.Man, I love everything, dude.I love, I love corny one-hit wonders from the '80s.Like, I love those corny '80s songs, like the, the number one pop music, like, you know, just, you know, Tears for Fears.You know, I like that kind of stuff.You know, I, I like '70s music, man.I, I listen to country music.I was, I was into country music video when I was a little kid dancing, you know?Um, I love disco.I love techno.I mean, I love everything.So you can't put me on the spot because, man, I just love all music.I really do.I love the blues.I love it all.And really, I listen to podcasts now.And I'm that dude also who can go in and have a workout with no music at all.Like, I like to just have silence and just stay up here in my own head.Um, whatUh, all right, we're about to wrap it up here.Before we go, um, where can people find you?Your, your Instagram's great.They can find you- Right.on Instagram.Tell them about that and anywhere else they can find you.Right.Right.Strongmanstorytelling.com.So, yeah, I have a website, strongmanstorytelling.com.Uh, Scott Neary, uh, is the one who created my website, and I love Scott.He's also started as a street performer, but he actually made it in a few movies.He was, he was in one of the Scary Movies.Um, anyway, um, he's a great guy, wonderful guy.So, strongmanstorytelling.com.On TikTok, I have like 300,000 followers.And that happened during the pandemic, and I was, like, bending horseshoes and then giving the- giving them away as a giveaway.So, I'd bend a horseshoe or a frying pan- Oh.and give it away.And the funny thing is, is that I knew aboutI talked about it earlier on TikTok.When the kids just keep scrolling, they're like, "Oh, that doesn't excite me.Scroll.That doesn't excite me.Scroll."You know?It's like, I would wear a bright shirt like this, orange, red or yellow.And I would go out in the sunshine, and I would hold up whatever it is.I would hold up the horseshoe and say, "Hey, TikTok, I'm gonna bend this horseshoe and give it to one of you."So, you have to tell them that immediately, like in the first second.Wow.And, and youAnd you have the brightness of the sunshine and the brightness of their shirt.And they're like, "Maybe I'll listen to this guy because he's gonna give me something."And then I was able to have a few go viral.I had one get seven million views and one get eight million views.And I started giving awayI was mailing it.I would get their parents' permission and mail it to their house, all on my money.Like, I was just mailing theall this stuff that I was bending and breaking.And I was able to get a pretty good following, so I had 300,000 followers on TikTok at Strongman Storytelling.And, uh, and Strongman Storytelling on Instagram.And then all your listeners, hey, feel free to friend me on Facebook.It's my regular page.It's, uh, Tim Fox, and it's the only one that works for Bedford County Sheriff's Office in Shelbyville, Tennessee.So, uh, reach out to me.I'll help you any way I can.Like, you know.And, uh, a lot of people are like, "Man, you should get paid for your advice, man."Sometimes I like to give free advice too, so, you know, reach out to me.Well, sometimes, you know, like you said, when they pay, they pay attention.Right.And they do.There's no doubt about that.Like, you can't just give away everything all the time.But so many people want to hoard all their information.It's like, "Man, I'm, I'm here to help people."Nice.Well, Tim, it was an honor to have you here.It's an honor to have you talking with us, sharing all your info.Really appreciate it.Thank you so much.And I really enjoyed this.We'll see you guys next time.